Anyone used conservators wax?

[d***@public.gmane.org]

Hi All,

I have a marble sculpture that I have polished to 200 grit, and I am
currently trying to decide if I should wax or not. I have a jar of
conservators wax from Conservator's Products Company and was wondering
if anyone has experience, good or
bad using it on indoor applications.


There is an in progress photo of the marble bowl at about 200 grit in
the blog portion of my website.


Sorry for the lack of hyper links, but if I don't post in plain text the
message is full of odd symbols.

Thanks in advance for the feed back,


David Perrett
www.davidperrett.ca

[Clive Murray-White]

Hi David - it would be helpful to know what you think you want to achieve by waxing the 200grit sanded sculpture - Clive


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[d***@public.gmane.org]

sorry, I was unclear, the photo is an in progress shot of the wor= k at 200
grit, it has since been sanded to 2000.
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[Jennifer Cull]

I too wonder if polishing to 200 then waxing is what you what really. 200
grit is not going to give you the polished look, even with wax. Are you
trying for a flat sort of finish?
Jennifer




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From: david-G8E+/ISuaOn5d/***@public.gmane.org
Date: 2/12/2012 11:50:30 AM
To: stone-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [stone] Anyone used conservators wax?

Hi All,

I have a marble sculpture that I have polished to 200 grit, and I am
currently trying to decide if I should wax or not. I have a jar of
conservators wax from Conservator's Products Company and was wondering
if anyone has experience, good or
bad using it on indoor applications.


There is an in progress photo of the marble bowl at about 200 grit in
the blog portion of my website.


Sorry for the lack of hyper links, but if I don't post in plain text the
message is full of odd symbols.

Thanks in advance for the feed back,


David Perrett
www.davidperrett.ca


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[d***@public.gmane.org]

Sorry for the confusion, there was a typo in my original post. The
sculpture is currently polished to two thousand grit(2000) in the photo
on my blog, it is an early photo, and was only polished to two
hundred(200).

I am looking to give the sculpture protection from grime in handling,
and the finish I want is lustrous, not high gloss. The 2000 grit polish
is about right, but it needs protection.

If any on know if Conservators Wax will do that, let me know. I bought
the product from Lee valley ages ago, and haven't used it on marble
before.

Thanks,

David Perrett

www.davidperrett.ca

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Subject: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?
From: Jennifer Cull <hardartartist-***@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sun, February 12, 2012 5:55 pm
To: <stone-***@public.gmane.org>

I too wonder if polishing to 200 then waxing is what you what really.
200
grit is not going to give you the polished look, even with wax. Are you
trying for a flat sort of finish?
Jennifer




Jennifer Cull
PO Box 504
Penn Valley, CA 95946
[phone]
jennifercull-stonesculpture.com
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Date: 2/12/2012 11:50:30 AM
To: stone-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [stone] Anyone used conservators wax?

Hi All,

I have a marble sculpture that I have polished to 200 grit, and I am
currently trying to decide if I should wax or not. I have a jar of
conservators wax from Conservator's Products Company and was wondering
if anyone has experience, good or
bad using it on indoor applications.


There is an in progress photo of the marble bowl at about 200 grit in
the blog portion of my website.


Sorry for the lack of hyper links, but if I don't post in plain text the
message is full of odd symbols.

Thanks in advance for the feed back,


David Perrett
www.davidperrett.ca


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[Jeff Watson]

Post by d***@public.gmane.org
Sorry for the confusion, there was a typo in my original post. The
sculpture is currently polished to two thousand grit(2000) in the photo
on my blog, it is an early photo, and was only polished to two
hundred(200).

Hi David,
Is this sculpture for inside or outside? Can't tell the dimensions from the photo.
Not sure why you would want to take marble to 2000 grit. Seems a bit much.
Don't have experience with your conservators' wax so can't really offer advice on that.
Have used Italian wax for marble, Cera lucidante per marmi e granite (Extra Wax). This has worked well on those of my marble pieces that I have treated.
Jeff


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[d***@public.gmane.org]

The sculpture is for inside, it will be integrated with a sound reactive
base.

The dimensions are approx 16 x 9 x 4

I wasn't happy with the sheen on the lower grits, so I kept sanding. I
don't have any experience with marble, and don't know what the standard
polish usually is. Mostly limestone for me, and some granite as well.

I'll look into the wax you suggested if the conservators doesn't pan
out. It is supposedly simmilar to Renaissance Wax, some say better,
others say inferior.

Thanks Jeff,

David

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Subject: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?
From: Jeff Watson <jeff.watson-***@public.gmane.org>
Date: Mon, February 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Post by d***@public.gmane.org
Sorry for the confusion, there was a typo in my original post. The
sculpture is currently polished to two thousand grit(2000) in the photo
on my blog, it is an early photo, and was only polished to two
hundred(200).

Hi David,
Is this sculpture for inside or outside? Can't tell the dimensions from
the photo.
Not sure why you would want to take marble to 2000 grit. Seems a bit
much.
Don't have experience with your conservators' wax so can't really offer
advice on that.
Have used Italian wax for marble, Cera lucidante per marmi e granite
(Extra Wax). This has worked well on those of my marble pieces that I
have treated.
Jeff


Jeff ( Guv) Watson
150, bord de l'Eau Est,
Longueuil, Qc. J4H 1A1
jeff.watson-***@public.gmane.org
www.sculpturejeffwatson.com
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[Martin Smith]

I have been working with Rajasthan marble recently, which is srongly figured (mainly greens). I polish to 2500 grit, which helps bring out the colour, and sometimes wax with "Marble Wax", which is a soft wax normally used, I think, for marble floors. It intensifies the colour and will presumably help repel water for outdoor pieces (parts of the marble are fairly absorbent).

Martin

[Clive Murray-White]

Yep now that we've cleared up the grit question - I'd say the right thing to
do is use a tin oxide/oxalic acid polishing compound to achieve the high
gloss effect, serious work but lasting - my view about waxes is that they
may look good for a short time but invariably dry out. The other problem
with wax is that it changes the tactile feeling of marble from something
fabulously smooth to a resistant waxiness.

[Angela Treat Lyon]

I agree about the feel, Clive - it always disappointed me to feel the finished waxed piece - I love the smooth silkyness of the polishing compound-finished work.

I'm curious as to what reason there might be for a high sheen - I prefer sanding only to about 450, maybe 600 at the very most - I like the softness of the surface that gives me. A high sheen makes stuff look too plastic-y - I could see it if you were carving water, or something that should appear wet -

aloha,
Angela

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To: <stone-***@public.gmane.org>
Subject: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:09:17 +1100


Yep now that we've cleared up the grit question - I'd say the right thing to
do is use a tin oxide/oxalic acid polishing compound to achieve the high
gloss effect, serious work but lasting - my view about waxes is that they
may look good for a short time but invariably dry out. The other problem
with wax is that it changes the tactile feeling of marble from something
fabulously smooth to a resistant waxiness.


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www.RLH.com
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[Frank Shopen]

I agree, only some forms look good with a high shine, though the feel
is definitely better polished than wax if one has the patience to do
it. But on many forms, certainly figures and portraits, I don't like
the way it reflects the lights and objects in the room on the surface.
I much prefer a softer, opaque surface not so highly polished as on
many marble figures where the luminescence works with the opacity and
looks so much like beautiful skin surface you want to touch. I've had
to wrestle with this over polished shiny surface with bronze for the
same reason and much prefer a quiet dignified pastel patina to the
cold robot-like super polish that makes any face, including a child's,
look like it's out of a James Bond Goldfinger movie.

[Angela Treat Lyon]

that's good, Frank - "...out of a James Bond Goldfinger movie" - that's exactly what they're like!

When I lived in Santa Fe, NM, I was always so amazed to see all the galleries stacked up on top of each other, each with shiny, garish bronzes. One or two had pieces that had the sweet, more sedate looking skin-like surfaces you're talking about.



aloha,
Angela

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From: Frank Shopen <fshopen-***@public.gmane.org>
To: stone-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:25:56 -0600

I agree, only some forms look good with a high shine, though the feel
is definitely better polished than wax if one has the patience to do
it. But on many forms, certainly figures and portraits, I don't like
the way it reflects the lights and objects in the room on the surface.
I much prefer a softer, opaque surface not so highly polished as on
many marble figures where the luminescence works with the opacity and
looks so much like beautiful skin surface you want to touch. I've had
to wrestle with this over polished shiny surface with bronze for the
same reason and much prefer a quiet dignified pastel patina to the
cold robot-like super polish that makes any face, including a child's,
look like it's out of a James Bond Goldfinger movie.


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www.RLH.com
http://www.RLH.com

[Frank Shopen]

"sweet, more sedate looking skin-like surfaces"
All that's needed for that is #10 glass beads and a good surface -for
bronze that is, and a decent careful patina.

[Posey Nelson]

I have always been a huge high-grit polisher because that's the way I learned back in the nineties..so I was surprised to learn at Marble/marble a few years ago that most people aren't going above 400..they say it leaves the crystals more exposed and light-catching, besides being simpler. I still, being slightly old school, enjoy a high polish now and then, and have used tin oxide (leaves little globs) & oxacylic acid (super time consuming and toxic). Now I'll usually use just a water polisher...but if you feel some protection for your 2000 grit finish is needed, David, why not try Italian Marble Polish? Easy to apply and hand buff..I use it to spruce up dusty pieces that have been sitting around, and it lets the stone breathe. Sometimes I will use an impregnator - a must IMO for outdoor pieces - on tabletops, as it is long-lasting, protects against stains and mildew while letting the marble breathe. Again, as Angela mentioned, the impregnator can
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[Martin Smith]

I've used oxalic acid on Carrara marble (and other stones) and find that it gives a good shine, but one that does appear to be a quality of the stone rather than an applied finish. I was introduced to it when I was working in Carrara, and I like the effect.

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I still, being slightly old school, enjoy a high polish now and then, and have used tin oxide (leaves little globs) & oxacylic acid (super time consuming and toxic).

[Posey Nelson]

Applied carefully...I use a small squeegee betwen the 2 coats to avoid puddling. In my experience, oxacylic acid, a water polisher, or an impregnator give the longest lasting, but why not go with the Italian Marble Polish which is easy to reapply in a couple of years if need be. I assume you polished by hand because with a water-fed polisher you would not need additional protection. Your pirce is very delicate...how did you remo e all the holes, with a core bit and then burrs? Interesting. ------------------------------ On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:13 PM MST Angela Treat Lyon wrote: >I agree about the feel, Clive - it always disappointed me to feel the finished waxed piece - I love the smooth silkyness of the polishing compound-finished work. > >I'm curious as to what reason there might be for a high sheen - I prefer sanding only to about 450, maybe 600 at the very most - I like the softness of the surface that gives me. A high sheen makes stuff look

[Posey Nelson]

----Forwarded Message----From: marblecarver81224-/***@public.gmane.org: ***@freelists.orgSent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM MSTSubject: Re: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?I have always been a huge high-grit polisher because that's the way I learned back in the nineties..so I was surprised to learn at Marble/marble a few years ago that most people aren't going above 400..they say it leaves the crystals more exposed and light-catching, besides being simpler. I still, being slightly old school, enjoy a high polish now and then, and have used tin oxide (leaves little globs) & oxacylic acid (super time consuming and toxic). Now I'll usually use just a water polisher...but if you feel some protection for your 2000 grit finish is needed, David, why not try Italian Marble Polish? Easy to apply and hand buff..I use it to spruce up dusty pieces that have been sitting around, and it lets the stone breathe. Sometimes I will use an impregnator - a must IMO for
outdoor pieces - on tabletops, as it is long-lasting, prote

[Posey Nelson]

----Forwarded Message----From: marblecarver81224-/***@public.gmane.org: ***@freelists.orgSent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM MSTSubject: Re: [stone] Re: Anyone used conservators wax?Applied carefully...I use a small squeegee betwen the 2 coats to avoid puddling. In my experience, oxacylic acid, a water polisher, or an impregnator give the longest lasting, but why not go with the Italian Marble Polish which is easy to reapply in a couple of years if need be. I assume you polished by hand because with a water-fed polisher you would not need additional protection. Your pirce is very delicate...how did you remo e all the holes, with a core bit and then burrs? Interesting. ------------------------------ On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:13 PM MST Angela Treat Lyon wrote: >I agree about the feel, Clive - it always disappointed me to feel the finished waxed piece - I love the smooth silkyness of the polishing compound-finished work. > >I'm curious as to what reason there
might be for a high sheen - I prefer sanding only to about

[Lee Jordan art]

posey

what impregnator do you use? I have never used one and am curious
about it usage as I have a few outdoor pieces that could use some
protection.

and what does a water polisher have to do with a finish? I was under
the impression that it just made the process faster and cleaner. does
using one actually impart a final effect to the stone?

I have used the italian marble polish and it is easy to use. glad that
some think it works well. :-)

Post by Posey Nelson
a water polisher, or an impregnator give the longest lasting, but
why not go with the Italian Marble Polish which is easy to reapply
in a couple of years if need be. I assume you polished by hand
because with a water-fed polisher you would not need additional

Lee Jordan
Sculptor
leejordanart.com

[Posey Nelson]

Lee, don't remember the brand names of the impregnators (there are several, but I'm away from my studio now) but I've bought them from Gran Quartz and Hard Rock Tools. There are two kinds, color-enhancing and non. As you work your way up the grits w/ a water-fed polisher (up to 3200) it changes the surface of the stone to keep a high polish. Wet, tho. faster and cleaner. does >using one actually impart a final effect to the stone?>>I have used the italian marble polish and it is easy to use. glad that >some think it works well. :-)>>> a water polisher, or an impregnator give the longest lasting, but >> why not go with the Italian Marble Polish which is easy to reapply >> in a couple of years if need be. I assume you polished by hand >> because with a water-fed polisher you would not need additional>>Lee Jordan>Sculptor>leejordanart.com>> >-:-}------------------------------------------------------------->Unsubscribe & other options:
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Thanks for all the feed back,

I am actually quite happy with the sheen that I achieved with the
polish, a high gloss wouldn't work with this form in my opinion. I just
want some protection against the oils and grime associated with handling
the work.

The piece was wet polished, but by hand not machine. I have noticed the
difference in surfaces when working on limestone with wet polishing, but
do you think that it is just the water, or do the high RPM's of machine
polishing impact the surface seal?

If I can leave the sculpture untreated without too much risk from oil
transfer from hands I would be inclined to do just that. If not, I'll
look into the Italian marble polish.

As for Posey's question about the piercework, I formed the bowl with
hammer and chisel, then used some large burs for my angle grinder to
getthe work to about 3/4 of an inch thick. After that, I indented the
openings from the outside with a die grinder and regular burs, and
ground the interior out to meet them with the anglegrinder. Scarry
delicate to work on, but worth the effort.

Thanks again,

David Perrett